Tuesday, June 28, 2011

The Mystery of the Magical Forearm Lines

Maybe you can help me solve it.

Sometimes you find or think of something very interesting - something you would like to know more about. You search and search and ask and ask...but no one seems to have the answer. There's only one thing you can do...find the answer for yourself.

The other day my cousin pointed out to me a little horizontal line about an inch or two above her elbow crease. It was faint, and looked kind of like a scar or wrinkle. She told me that only the girls in our family have it. I looked and discovered (to my intense confusion) that I had them too, on both of my arms. We did a little survey and it appeared that while most of the girls (except one) seemed to have them on one or both arms, the boys didn't - except one, but his were very faint. Another thing we noticed was that the lines appeared to be more prominent on the left arm, excepting two cases (there were about nine "test subjects" in all). It seemed highly improbable that this was something peculiar to our family, so we decided to do some research.

While searching the internet, we found nearly nothing about this mysterious "crease". However, we did run across a few things. There were only two articles we found that mentioned this "crease" at all. What we found was that some people think that this line is found in people of Han Chinese descent. This was perplexing, because our family has absolutely no Asian ancestry AT ALL. However one site has a whole forum discussing this. It appears that people of Scandinavian or Celtic blood may have these as well. My mother's side is Irish and Scandinavian, and most of her family have them. Other people say that they're just wrinkles, stretch marks, caused by the sun etc. I suppose it may be something like this, but if they are genetic (and specific to a few specific races) that would be a really interesting thing to know. I'm dreadfully sorry that I couldn't come up with any picture.

So maybe you can help me get a bit closer to the answer to this Riddle of the Line.
Here are some things to think about:

1. Do you have these lines?
2. Do you have them on one or both forearms?
3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)?
4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms)
5. How faint are they?
6. Are they more prominent on one arm?
7. What is your ancestry?

I encourage you to report your findings to the Comment Box.

47 comments:

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  2. I have 2 lines on both forarms got them from my dad all my kids have them to. My father is Cherokee.

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  4. 1. Do you have these lines?
    Yes. All members of my maternal blood line have them.

    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms?
    We all have them on both.

    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)?
    They are located on our forearms.

    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms)
    My sister and my daughter have 2 on their right arms.

    5. How faint are they?
    On a scale of 1-5, they're about a 2.

    6. Are they more prominent on one arm?
    No
    7. What is your ancestry?
    Ashkenazic Jew, German, Native American

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  5. 1. Do you have these lines? Yes
    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms? Both
    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? below
    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms) no
    5. How faint are they? Pretty faint, it's hard to tell until I bend my arm.
    6. Are they more prominent on one arm? It's more prominent on my left arm
    7. What is your ancestry? I am roughly 75% German and 25% Irish, with a bit of Austrian thrown in there.

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  6. Thank you, Toastyz, WindyCityGigi, Don, and KladfvbungMicshk for your input. I'll soon have enough for a decent study, perhaps! :)

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  7. 1. Do you have these lines? Yes
    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms? Both
    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? below
    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms) No
    5. How faint are they? I didn't notice until a friend pointed them out
    6. Are they more prominent on one arm? Left
    7. What is your ancestry? Chinese

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  8. A friend of mine noticed them in the pub one time and it ended up our entire circle of friends had them! For me the answers are...

    1: yes
    2: both
    3:bellow
    4: no
    5: about a 3?
    6: Both the same
    7: from England with Celtic and scandinavian heritage going waaaay back,

    Also might be interesting, but my friend's new born baby also has them

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    1. Thanks Unknown and Vivcore! I've also noticed them on newborns before!

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  9. I noticed mine when I was a self conscious teenager and noticed my mother had them, too. My 3 year old grandson has them, and has had them since he was a tiny baby...a thin baby I would like to add, it is not because he was ever chubby.

    1. Do you have these lines? YES

    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms? BOTH

    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? BELOW

    4. Do you have "doubles" NO
    5. How faint are they? THEY ARE EASILY NOTICEABLE, SO ARE MY GRANDSONS...AS WERE MY MOTHER'S

    6. Are they more prominent on one arm? NOT NOW, BUT I THINK WHEN I WAS YOUNG (MID 60s NOW)IT SEEMS THE LEFT WAS MORE PROMINENT.

    7. What is your ancestry? MY MOM'S SIDE IS ENGLISH, SCOTTISH, NORTHERN IRELAND AND WELSH. MY DAD WAS DANISH. MY GRANDSON IS A HUGE BLEND...ADDING MINE...PLUS MUCH MORE: ENGLISH, SCOTTISH, MEXICAN,GERMAN,FRENCH, NATIVE AMERICAN. HE ALSO HAS VERY NOTICEABLE HORIZONTAL CREASES ON THE BACK OF HIS LEGS SEVERAL INCHES ABOVE HIS KNEES.

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  10. I have these on both arms, both above and below the crease. I'm of Hungarian descent, and there's a bit of Austrian and Turkish down the line. I've found that my other Hungarian friends have these lines too.
    Someone once told me that it was the Sumerians and other ancient people's that had these lines and that means we descended from them.

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  11. I have them on both arms, on my forearms about two inches forward of the elbow joint on the inner parts of my arms. I've had them all my life. I am of mostly Celtic descent, with some French and German. Basically Scottish/French/German/Austrian/Scots Irish with a dasch of Czech.

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  12. I just came across your blog while Googling these odd lines!

    1. Do you have these lines? Yes! Although, I have never thought to ask other family members if they too have them.
    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms?
    Both
    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? Both
    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms) Yes
    5. How faint are they? Mine have gotten fainter with time. I'm 21 now but they were more noticeable when I was little. The ones below the crease are smaller and are only on the inside "side" of my arms. The ones above go across the underside of my arms.
    6. Are they more prominent on one arm? No, at least not that I can tell.
    7. What is your ancestry? On my father's side Italian, on my mother's side, Irish. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a little something else mixed in along the way, but those are definitely the predominant genes.

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    1. Thanks for the in-depth reply, MooshiePoo! I'm starting to realize that many people are wondering about these lines, but absolutely no one has any definitive evidence regarding what they are or mean. Perhaps it is time to revisit the topic...

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  13. yes I have the lines
    On both arms
    Two prominant lines are below the elbow and two very faint lines above the elbow
    My ancestry is Irish, Native American, Scandinavian,and dutch!

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  14. i have these lines on my both arms . 2 on my right arm and one on my left. the left one is more visible they are above my elbow line and they are horizontal . it's interesting because i'm iranian with no celtic blood. but my skin is so white. the interesting thing is my mom doesn't have these lines. i hope it can help you !

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  15. I have been wondering about these lines for a long time, as both my mother and I have them. I'm really glad someones trying to collect some data on it!

    I have two lines below my elbow crease that are about 4 -5 inches long. The line closest to my elbow is the most prominent and always visible unless I am really extending my arm. I am 28 and I have noticed them for as long as I can remember. I don't believe I was a particularly chubby baby either (I've seen that hypothesized as a reason for the lines). My ancestry is a European grab-bag (English, Scottish, Irish, French, German, Austrian, maybe a few more) with an alleged Cherokee great-great grandmother.

    Good luck finding an answer! I'm pretty into solving this mystery, so I'll post here again if I find any new info on it.

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  16. I have three parallel creases on my left forearm and one on my right. I am of Irish, Scandinavian and Prussian descent. I've always wondered about these, I've never seen anyone else with them!

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  17. 1. Do you have these lines?
    YES

    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms?
    BOTH

    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)?
    ABOVE AND BELOW ON BOTH ARMS

    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms)
    YES

    5. How faint are they?
    ON A SCALE FROM 1-5, 2 ON RIGHT, 3 ON LEFT

    6. Are they more prominent on one arm?
    YES

    7. What is your ancestry?
    HAN CHINESE (More specifically Zhejiang, Canton, Fujian). I also heard something about the pinky toenails too on those of Han Chinese descent. It’s like an extra tiny nail that sticks out like a digit, not noticeable at all / very obscure.

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    1. I have them, and they are fairly prominent. I am irish/german/french/english/ukrainian. I was always told that it made you somehow related to the mongol huns (which makes sense for my ancestry, because of how far the mongols expanded{to the area of Ukraine}) Every ukrainian in my family has it.

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    2. I heard that the lines came from my mongolian ancestry. I had a dna test doneand i truly have mongolian. I do not however have the sixth toenail.

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  18. 1. Yes
    2. Both
    3. Above but both my daughters have them above and below on both arms. My son has none.
    4. No
    5. 3
    6. Prominent on left
    7. Swedish, Welsh, Scottish

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  19. I wonder if it has to do with generational genetics...maybe significance of lifting or carrying baskets. I wonder if these lines would be absent on defendants of royalty.

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  20. 1. Do you have these lines? Yes
    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms? Both
    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? Forearm
    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms) two on each arm
    5. How faint are they? scale of 1-5 about a 3
    6. Are they more prominent on one arm? No
    7. What is your ancestry? My moms side is Black, Irish, Italian, and Cherokee. My dad's side is Jamaican, English, and some other stuff

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  21. I'm willing to wager that everyone who has these creases has one thing in common...they roll their sleeves up (coincidentally, up to the point where the crease appears).

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  22. 1. Do you have these lines? I do.
    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms? Both my arms have them.
    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? I have lines both above and below my elbow crease on each arm. My right arm actually has two lines below the elbow crease.
    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms)? Yes (see above).
    5. How faint are they? When my arms are taut and straight, the lines are almost invisible, but if they are even slightly bended the lines become visible.
    6. Are they more prominent on one arm? They're more prominent on my right arm.
    7. What is your ancestry? I am part Ashkenazi Jewish "mutt" (Lithuanian, Austrian, and who knows what else!), Scottish, and Scandinavian.

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  23. 1. Do you have these lines? Yes, I've never asked my family if they do as well though

    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms? I have them on both arms

    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? My left arm has one about 2-3 cm below the elbow and one about 1 cm above it; my right arm has one about 2 cm below the elbow and another 3 cm below that one and one 2 cm above the elbow

    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms)? Yes (see above)

    5. How faint are they? Scale 1-5; 1 being invisible and 5 being unavoidably noticeable: When my left arm is straight, the bottom one is a 2, but when bent 90 degrees, it's a 5; the above one looks like part of the elbow crease when straight but 90 degrees it's a 3. When my right arm is straight, both bottoms are 3, but when bent 90 degrees, they're 4; the above one is a 1 straight and 2 when held at 90 degree angle

    6. Are they more prominent on one arm?
    When straight, more prominent on my right, when bent, more prominent on my left.

    7. What is your ancestry? My mom is: English, Scottish, Irish, German, Italian. My dad is: German, English.

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  24. Yes. My maternal side has them.

    Both arms

    Above.

    No doubles

    On the scale from 1 to 5, its a 3 on the left and 2 on the right.

    More prominent on the left.

    Han Chinese, mongolian, malay archipelago, indian, and like 2% Scanfanavian, German. I had my dna test done so these are accurate

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  25. 1. Do you have these lines? Yes, I do.

    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms?
    I have both

    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? Above

    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms) Nope, apparently not.

    5. How faint are they? One is very faint, while the other is more prominent

    6. Are they more prominent on one arm? Yes, my left arm.

    7. What is your ancestry?
    Celtic, German, Scandinavian, and a tiny bit of Cherokee on my mother's side, Italian, French, and Russian on my dad's side.

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  26. 1. Do you have these lines? Yes
    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms? Both
    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? above
    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms) No
    5. How faint are they? medium in color
    6. Are they more prominent on one arm? right
    7. What is your ancestry? african american and puerto rican

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  27. 1. Do you have these lines? Yes
    2. Do you have them on both forearms? Both
    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? both
    4. Do you have "doubles"? Yes
    5. How faint are they? medium
    6. Are they more prominent on on arm? left
    7. What is your ancestry? Great Britain, Scandinavia, Ireland, Iberian Peninsula, Finnish/Northern Russia, trace of Italy/Greece, trace of European Jewish, trace of Near East, family tree links to Eastern Tribe of Cherokee in Kentucky.

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  28. I am of Scottish / Irish ancestry. I have two on my right arm; one above (about a half inch from the elbow) and one below the elbow (about two and a half inches from the elbow). I have one on left arm below the elbow only; it is just shy of an inch away from my elbow. My two brothers have them too.

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  29. Male, 34, German/Polish descent (mostly, but I don't know what else is in here... though I do know there is no chinese). Have had these lines on both forearms {lower, towards my hands}, 1 on each, in the same location on both arms exactly 2 inches from the crease of my elbow, my whole life. To my knowledge, all of my siblings have them as well, but I have never checked my parent's arms. Neither is more prominent, time of year and humidity does not matter. They are not creases in the same sense as your elbow, your forehead, your hands, etc. as there is nothing {that is, no body joint or muscle grouping} to cause creases there. They are not "scars", or at least, they do not look the same as other scar tissue I have on me and have seen in others, and there is no way that soooo many people out there would have identical scars as mine, and in the same f-ing position. The chances of that are nearly infinitesimal. I have been overweight all of my life, but my weight is carried in my midsection, not in my arms. It is not a fat issue, and anyone saying differently is grasping because they want to feel important to the conversation. I have have seen these lines in fat, thin, athletic, white, black, latino, Irish, Scottish, English, male, female, eunuch (not joking), post-op trans...etc. You get the idea. No one has given an actual, real, scientifically proven reason why these lines exist. On every site I go to, all I see is hearsay and conjecture from internet browsing lay people who come up with these wild-assed stories about what "they think" the lines are. On one site I went to, the guy posted the opinion that it was a sign of alien abduction and that they chopped off his arms for god knows what purpose then sewed them back on and sent him on his way... I COULD GET A BETTER STORY FROM MY 3 YEAR OLD NIECE! This is a world-wide phenomenon that spans race, gender, generation, and nationality, and yet no official inquiry or research by a reputable source has looked into this? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?

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  30. 1. Do you have these lines?
    Yes
    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms?
    On both forearms
    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)?
    Below the elbow
    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms)
    No
    5. How faint are they?
    On the 1=faint to 5=prominent
    Left 1 with arm straight, 2 with elbow bent
    Right 2 with arm straight, 5 with elbow bent
    6. Are they more prominent on one arm?
    Yes, the right arm
    7. What is your ancestry?
    About 50% English, remainder Irish & Scottish

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  31. Hi my name is Rachael and I have creases about an inch and a half below my elbow on my forearm. I've always wondered what they were too! I am Scottish, Irish, welsh, and English so the Celtic thing is really interesting. :)

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  32. 1. Do you have these lines? Yes
    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms? Both
    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on Above
    4. Do you have "doubles" Yes, on my right arm; one is a few centimeters away from the other.
    5. How faint are they? They are pretty noticeable
    6. Are they more prominent on one arm? Yes, on my right arm.
    7. What is your ancestry? My mom is from El Salvador and my dad is from Ecuador. I have Spanish and Italian ancestry, but that's all I know.

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  33. I have a line on each forearm, top, 1.5" from the deep elbow wrinkle, towards the wrist. I have seen a few above the deep elbow wrinkle but rarely. Mine are standouts! Very noticeable. I do have Cherokee ancestry on both sides. I live in North Georgia. All of the family who has Cherokee blood has the marks. Could it be the only race, ethnicity, on the planet with DISTINCT MARKINGS?

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  34. Hi! So I have these creases as well on both arms my left side more prominent than right also I'm fat so it's even more noticeable I actually get asked about it if I wear tanktops and short sleeves so it's kinda made me bundle up >.< I don't even like wearing tshirts without a jacket in fear that it'll show..someone at my school asked me if it hurt..it's really embarrassing..it's like..I'm fat yea but I'd rather my whole arm be big than it to stop like 3 inches before my elbos..it's really hendered my way of life..I'm only 16 >.< I hate that I hate something about myself so young...

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  35. 1. Do you have these lines? I do!
    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms? Both
    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? Both, it's so weird. One on my left arm is even almost in the middle of my forearm.
    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms) I have four on one arm and five on the other.
    5. How faint are they? Pretty prominent.
    6. Are they more prominent on one arm? Not really
    7. What is your ancestry? Welsh

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  36. I have two elbow creases instead of one on both my arms (no one in my family appears to have the same). On my left arm there are also faint creases both above and below these when I bend it. I am of English (Yorkshire) origin

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  37. 1. Do you have these lines? Yes
    2. Do you have them on one or both forearms? Both
    3. Which side of your elbow crease are they on (above or below)? Both are on my forearms.
    4. Do you have "doubles" (my little sister has one above and below her elbow crease on both arms) No.
    5. How faint are they? They're subtle.
    6. Are they more prominent on one arm? No.
    7. What is your ancestry? Italian-American.

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  38. My Mama told me I already have that when i was born and in our culture and beliefs its a sign that you will get fat so easy but then it's not true I love eating and I'm not fat :) hahaha. Ancient people mind sometimes sucks
    Yes
    Both
    Also in between my feet and legs
    No
    Subtle
    Spanish Chinese Japanese Filipino
    ..they say its a lucky charm and that's what I believe because someone created us uniquely ,

    Amazing creases why does we have it? How this created when we're in our mothers womb?

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  39. I have them on both arms, but on my left I have 6 or more, they are very faint. On my right arm only one but it is much more noticeable. I don't know my ancestry on my fathers side, but on my mothers it is English, Irish, Scottish and Dutch. My daughter has one on each arm. I am not sure about the rest of my family.

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  40. Two prominent lines in antecubital area(inner elbow). I am of dark Norwegian and English descent. I am the ONLY one in my living family that has them.

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  41. My theory: while we are in the womb, our arms are folded. Then at some point our forearms get a growth spurt and the elbow moves up.

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